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Posted by mullipuff (My Page) on Sat, May 10, 08 at 7:43
| The other day while watering the hanging plants on my front porch, I startled a little House Finch off of her tiny, adorable nest in one of the baskets, At the time there was one little bluish egg. So I fretted for a couple of days about how to not let my plant die while she incubates and raises babies, finally settling on getting a watering globe that I should only have to fill 2-3 times during her entire "sitting in". This morning while placing the water globe, I noticed two more tiny bluish eggs and one big fat brown-speckled egg - I'm figuring Cowbird. How on earth Ms. Cowbird found this tiny, well hidden nest, I do not know, but I did remove the egg, knowing it's dweller would destroy all of the baby finches.
My question is - I do know of a Robin's nest that is current;y on about the same schedule. Since Cowbirds are native, should I try to place this egg into her nest - I figure the sizes are roughly the same and a baby Cow won't endanger baby Robins. Thoughts? |
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RE: Cowbird Egg in Finch Nest
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| I would destroy any cowbird eggs I came across. They are invasive to the native birds. Are you in Texas, or out west? |
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| Why on earth would you do that? Either leave the egg where it is or do the nasty deed. |
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| Gail - I'm in Delaware. Elly - LOL!! I thought that's what people might say. Just trying to do the right thing. I think I'll probably coat the egg with nail polish or modge podge and keep it as a pretty decoration. You're right, of course, about the Robin's nest - just having a momentary surge of guilt... |
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| I can't believe this - do any of you realize that it is illegal (at the very least) to tamper with a native bird's eggs or nests? I hope you do feel guilty and if I could, I would report you. |
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| They are native to Texas not the northeast. They are parasites, and the ecosystem in the north east is not equipped to deal with them as Texas is. |
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| Wrong - they are protected by the Migratory Bird Act and it is unlawful to tamper with eggs of these birds. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Migratory bird act
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| Jeanner is correct. They are protected, as are their eggs. I posted a study on a thread not too long ago (published by Audubon) about how the threat and damage by the Brown-headed cowbird has been overestimated. Previously it was thought that they were sharpening the decline of already-stressed deep woodland species, like Wood thrushes and various warblers. But every year there are different studies with different conclusions. Neotropical migrants are so fragile, and little is being done to help them. I doubt destroying eggs in your backyard will make a difference, since the birds that need help are so remote. |
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| You know what, Jeanner? I almost let your comments make me feel bad. After all, I am a cold, heartless, lawbreaking, bird killer right? I should feel bad. And I do...I feel terrible every time I'm treated to the pathetic sight of a tiny Finch running herself ragged trying to keep "her" Cowbird fledgling fed. And when I find three Finch babies whose bones broke when they fell six feet from their cozy nest after being pushed out by "their" Cowbird sibling. And how about when I find other baby birds who have painfully starved to death while their parents were forced to ignore their hungry mouths to fill the giant gaping Cowbird mouth instead? And I feel bad in the fall when HUGE, pulsating, yard-covering flocks of literally hundreds of Cowbirds drive my 12 or so finches away away from their feeders for days at a time. I feel REALLY bad. Laws are meant to protect the innocent and the helpless while keeping our society balanced on the side of sanity and reason instead of anarchy and cruelty. I am incredibly law abiding - but not every law is entirely well thought-out and fair, and not every situation is entirely black and white. Today, I protected the innocent. If you read my post, I even considered placing the infernal egg into the nest of a bird whose babies would have had less of a chance of being destroyed by it. I saved three lives today by putting aside one egg which, at this point in it's existence, amounts to little more than yolk. So how about you get off of your very high horse and come on down here where the rest of us have to deal with painful and very difficult decisions everyday. Or you could go, as you've threatened, to find yourself "greener" utopian pastures on another forum. Either way, I wish you the best of luck. Life is not a fairytale. |
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| Bravo! Bravo! you go for it mullipuff. I have no problem with Jeaner...she is trying her best to remind us of the law etc...but I wonder if she has ever witnessed a little tiny (in my case a chipper) try to feed a cowbird baby. It is a no win no win situation. The tiny birds rarley feed the cowbirds what(or enough)of what they usually eat. The cow bird baby and the parents usually die. The hosting parent has already lost all of it's babies...many left to starve to death...a horrible death. I would smash any cowbird egg I find and not feel bad! |
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| In regards to BHCO, they are just doing what they are genetically programmed to do. This is how they evolved and whether we find it "bad", "horrible", or whatever adjective to describe it, it is nature. One should let nature take its course. Cowbirds are captured and killed in areas where native species such as Black-capped Vireos, Golden-cheeked Warblers, and Kirtland's Warblers nest to try and get the populations of these birds to rebound (that have declined to habitat loss). However, one should not let their anthropomorphic views on cowbird parasitism lead them to remove the eggs of cowbirds outside areas of legal control. In regards to House Finches, in all my years of bird watching, I have never seen a House Finch or an American Goldfinch, ever feeding a cowbird chick. This is most likely because House Finches and goldfinches feed their chicks a diet of seeds, no insects at all. Based on this, I highly doubt a cowbird chick would have survived in a House Finch nest as they need a diet primarily of insects to grow and develop normally. Finally, I don't think there is a documented case of a parent bird dying from attempts to feed a cowbird chick. Cowbirds are not just native to Texas, they are "native" to anywhere where bison historically roamed, that includes all the plains states (N. and S. Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, etc., etc.). They only began increasing their range when bison were decimated and we began farming cattle and clearing areas of the eastern U.S. for agriculture. Like any species that expands it's normal range, it is still considered native. I don't here anyone killing Cardinals, Carolina Wrens, Red-bellied Woodpeckers, and any other native species that has expanded it's normal range. And, if you want to get "technical", House Finches aren't "native" to the eastern United States, so a "non-native" cowbird laid an egg in a "non-native" House Finch nest. :-) Passerine species that dwell in forested habitat have seen the greatest impact from BHCO because they never experienced this species before. Forest fragmentation has made it easier for cowbirds to enter interior forest to parastize nests of woodland species such as the Wood Thrush, Scarlet Tanager, Ovenbird, etc. However, some species that occur in the east are capable of dealing with eggs of cowbirds. Some examples are Baltimore Orioles (pierce and remove the BHCO egg), Yellow Warbler (builds new nest on top of old nest containing BHCO egg), American Robin (ejects cowbird egg), Northern Mockingbird (ejects cowbird egg), and many of the kingbird and flycatcher families are so aggressive they are capable of driving off a cowbird from it's nest (Western Kingbird, Eastern Wood Pewee, etc.). The cowbird issue is indeed a complex one, however, if one is really concerned about the welfare of Neotropical migrants and/or resident species, they should look at donating money or belonging to organizations that preserve large tracts of forested breeding habitat, preserving migratory stop-over habitat, and preserving wintering areas. This will go a lot farther than worrying about destroying a cowbird egg (which, no matter how you look at it, is still illegal) you notice in a nest. I think people should just refrain from posting these types of topics. Every year there are topics on many species that people feel are undesirable such as cowbirds, grackles, red-winged blackbirds, sharp-shinned hawks...you get the idea. If people are going to watch birds and attract them to their yard, they should be able to deal with what nature shows them. If not, don't post about it because it just gets people irritated and results in obnoxious posts. No matter how many times people on this and other forums try to educate people to make them more informed, it is usually met on deaf ears anyway and they are in turn, told how wrong they are. I am sure many of those types of posts will follow this one...but I hope I am wrong. BN |
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| Exceptional post BN, very informative and factual. |
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| Keep in mind that house finches are not native to the northeast either. They only exist in the eastern part of the country because humans released them there in the earlier part of the 20th century. They have significantly impacted the populations of purple finches and also disproportionately spread disease such as conjunctivitis. The migratory bird act does not distinguish between birds which are regionally native to certain areas of the country. It is not legal to destroy cowbird eggs. Personally I feel that if cowbirds are taking over your yard and you don't like seeing them at the feeders, then the responsible thing to do is to take down the feeders. After all, you are the one attracting them by providing the free food. That in turn keeps them in the area where they can find nests to lay their eggs. I am all for management of non-native species, but tampering with native species that are not "desirable" by human standards has no justification either legally or morally. Particularly when they are being attracted there through human action. |
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Bn - Thank you for your constructive and informative post. I am no neophyte. I have watched and loved birds since childhood. I know that neither Cowbirds nor House Finches are northeastern natives. My family originally hails from Kansas, and I have spent countless hours watching these prairie birds in their native habitat. I love a cheeky old Cowbird as much as the next gal. Honestly, I do. The antics of just about any feathered friend provides me with endless amusement. What I don't love is needless suffering. Philosophically, I am a "greater good" kind of person. I don't go out of my way looking for Cowbird eggs to destroy. This is actually the first time I was ever faced with such a dilemma. But there it sat in that little nest and my heart sank, because I knew that that one egg meant that any babies born in that nest, be they Cowbird or Finch, would be born simply to suffer and then die in some really painful way. By the rule of greater good, I chose - and not without some sadness - to give three a chance to live instead to four a certainty to die. And I reiterate, the original question in my original post was not "How do I kill the evil Cowbirds, will egg smashing do the trick?" but "Should I try placing this little egg into a different nest where it and it's nestmates will have a better chance at surviving each other?" Other than the (fanfare here) MIGRATORY BIRD ACT - which, by the way I am fully aware of and on the whole support, thanks - What on earth is wrong with trying to make sure the birdies in our world don't have to suffer? Isn't that what you devote you life to, DEE? I really have nothing else to say. I'm not evil, mean or cruel. I am not a law-breaking hooligan. And I have never killed a bird, EVER! So please stop flaming me and take a deep breath. Let's move on, folks. |
RE: Cowbird Egg in Finch Nest
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| I would have done the same thing Mullipuff. I won't interfere, but if the opportunity presents itself to do some good, I would do it. I am sure there are plenty of other cowbird eggs in the vicinity that you haven't seen, the species won't suffer from your effort to save the other birds. Moving on. |
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I invite all you who are so inclined to move to Texas, take a one day free course with Texas Parks and Wildlife and get a permit to kill as many brown headed cowbirds as you can trap between March 1st and May 31st. Legally. I, meanwhile, will continue to put out food for the two females and one male that come to my bird feeder several times a day year around. |
Bird Scope
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| By Cornell Lab of Ornitholoy Spring 2008 addition. Back page "bird in focus" sub titled "A bird that never nests has a huge impact on nesting birds". This artical talks about many of the same things mentioned here and brings up two of the most vulnerable being Kirtland's Warbler and Black-capped Vireo. The final paragraph says, "Today agriculture, development, and forest fragmentation maintain cowbird levels at high numbers. The most effective way to compensate is to manage cowbirds. In the Wichitaw Mountains in Oklahoma, wildlife managers have been trapping more than 90% of local cowbirds every Spring and Summer since 1980s. Here the Black-capped Viero population , though precariously localized, now thrives, along with Painted Buntings, Summer Tanagers, Blue Gray Gnatcatchers, and other songbirds that produce many more young every year without nest parasitism". |
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| Ok, now I am really confused. Why on earth is the destroying of a cowbird egg, a native species, a good deed?? And to save HOUSE FINCHES, of all things?? This is not a Kirtland's warbler we're talking about people. Now I have heard everything. Should we destroy cooper's hawk eggs too, since they will grow up to cause other birds to suffer? There is evidence that they too are increasing in numbers. I also thought I read somewhere that cowbirds don't have nearly the impact on other birds as once believed. Anyway, kind of reminds me of when I was a little kid I would "save" little bugs that were trapped in spider webs... |
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